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Logical Fallacies

The Green Lumber Fallacy

The green lumber fallacy confuses knowledge that looks essential to an outsider with the practical knowledge a task actually requires. Taleb’s trader anecdotes illustrate how someone can lack an apparently basic fact while possessing less visible skills that matter to performance.

THE IDEA

THE GREEN LUMBER FALLACY

In one of the rare noncharlatanic books in finance, descriptively called What I Learned Losing a Million Dollars, the protagonist makes a big discovery. He remarks that a fellow named Joe Siegel, one of the most successful traders in a commodity called “green lumber,” actually thought that it was lumber painted green (rather than freshly cut lumber, called green because it had not been dried). And he made it his profession to trade the stuff! Meanwhile the narrator was into grand intellectual theories and narratives of what caused the price of commodities to move, and went bust.

It is not just that the successful expert on lumber was ignorant of central matters like the designation “green.” He also knew things about lumber that nonexperts think are unimportant. People we call ignorant might not be ignorant.

The fact is that predicting the order flow in lumber and the usual narrative had little to do with the details one would assume from the outside are important. People who do things in the field are not subjected to a set exam; they are selected in the most non-narrative manner—nice arguments don’t make much difference. Evolution does not rely on narratives, humans do. Evolution does not need a word for the color blue.

So let us call it the green lumber fallacy when we mistake an apparently essential fact—the meaning of green lumber—for the practical knowledge that actually matters to the task. The latter may be less visible to outsiders and harder to explain.

My intellectual world was shattered as if everything I had studied was not just useless but a well-organized scam—as follows. When I first became a derivatives or “volatility” professional (I specialized in nonlinearities), I focused on exchange rates, a field in which I was embedded for several years. I had to cohabit with foreign exchange traders—people who were not involved in technical instruments as I was; their job simply consisted of buying and selling currencies. Money changing is a very old profession with a long tradition and craft; recall the story of Jesus Christ and the money changers. Coming to this from a highly polished Ivy League environment, I was in for a bit of a shock. You would think that the people who specialized in foreign exchange understood economics, geopolitics, mathematics, the future price of currencies, differentials between prices in countries. Or that they read assiduously the economics reports published in glossy papers by various institutes. You might also imagine cosmopolitan fellows who wear ascots at the opera on Saturday night, make wine sommeliers nervous, and take tango lessons on Wednesday afternoons. Or spoke intelligible English. None of that.

My first day on the job was an astounding discovery of the real world. The population in foreign exchange was at the time mostly composed of New Jersey/Brooklyn Italian fellows. Those were street, very street people who had started in the back office of banks doing wire transfers, and when the market expanded, even exploded, with the growth of commerce and the free-floating of currencies, they developed into traders and became prominent in the business. And prosperous.

My first conversation with an expert was with a fellow called B. Something-that-ends-with-a-vowel dressed in a handmade Brioni suit. I was told that he was the biggest Swiss franc trader in the world, a legend in his day—he had predicted the big dollar collapse in the 1980s and controlled huge positions. But a short conversation with him revealed that he could not place Switzerland on the map—foolish as I was, I thought he was Swiss Italian, yet he did not know there were Italian-speaking people in Switzerland. He had never been there. When I saw that he was not the exception, I started freaking out watching all these years of education evaporating in front of my eyes. That very same day I stopped reading economic reports. I felt nauseous for a while during this enterprise of “deintellectualization”—in fact I may not have recovered yet.

If New York was blue collar in origin, London was sub–blue collar, and even more successful. The players were entirely cockney, even more separated from sentence-forming society. They were East Londoners, street people (extremely street) with a distinctive accent, using their own numbering system. Five is “Lady Godiva” or “ching,” fifteen is a “commodore,” twenty-five is a “pony,” etc. I had to learn cockney just to communicate, and mostly to go drinking, with my colleagues during my visits there; at the time, London traders got drunk almost every day at lunch, especially on Friday before New York opened. “Beer turns you into a lion,” one fellow told me as he hurried to finish his drink before the New York open.

The most hilarious scenes were hearing on loudspeakers transatlantic conversations between New York Bensonhurst folks and cockney brokers, particularly when the Brooklyn fellow tried to put on a little bit of a cockney pronunciation to be understood (these cockneys sometimes spoke no standard English).

So that is how I learned the lesson that price and reality as seen by economists are not the same thing. One may be a function of the other but the function is too complex to map mathematically. The relation may have optionality in places, something that these non-sentence-savvy people knew deep inside.

When to use it

  • Hiring for a trading desk: assess candidates on the skills the role requires, including practical performance alongside credentials.

  • Evaluating an investment strategy: test which information helps its decisions rather than assuming an impressive economic explanation predicts returns.

  • Learning a new skill: connect theoretical study with practice and feedback from the task itself.

  • Recognizing that experts in a field may not know what outsiders consider essential, so avoid judging competence by surface-level knowledge.

FROM THEORY TO EVERYDAY LIFE

In practice

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Joe Siegel and the Green Lumber

Joe Siegel was a highly successful trader in green lumber, yet he believed that 'green lumber' referred to lumber painted green, not freshly cut lumber. Despite this ignorance of the fundamental definition, his practical understanding of order flow and market dynamics allowed him to thrive.

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Foreign Exchange Traders in New York and London

The author describes foreign exchange traders who lacked formal knowledge of geography and economics but were extremely successful. A major Swiss franc trader could not locate Switzerland on a map and did not know it had Italian speakers. London cockney traders used their own slang and drinking rituals, yet dominated the market by mastering the practical, non-narrative aspects of trading.

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A MOMENT TO REFLECT

Put it to work.

  1. In your field, which facts look essential to outsiders but matter little to performance? Which less visible skills matter more?

  2. How can you distinguish between narrative knowledge that sounds impressive and practical knowledge that leads to success?

  3. In what situations might ignorance of 'obvious' facts be irrelevant to success, and how can you identify those situations?

Connected ideas

Another lens can bring the same problem into focus.

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References

  1. What I Learned Losing a Million Dollars

CONTINUE THE CONVERSATION

Source texts

  • Antifragile (Nassim Nicholas Taleb)
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